Tesla’s Musk, Alibaba’s Ma talk aliens and AI, skip issues like trade

SolarCity was the center of the Buffalo Billion corruption probe by federal prosecutors, which a year ago led to high-profile bribery convictions of …

Elon Musksaid in April that Tesla would offer an auto insurance product the following month.

Tesla vehicles are, in some cases, more expensive to insure than cars from competing automakers.

US-based Mr Musk made his fortune at the digital payments firm PayPal before going on to run electric car-maker Tesla, space rocket company SpaceX and tunnel-transport business The Boring Company among other ventures.

Theoretically, that would mean working as little as three days per week for four hours each day, he said inconversation with Tesla CEO, Elon Musk, at an AI conference in China.

Although, judging by Musk’s teaser shot, the front-end could be more squared-off than the rendering suggests.

“We need a hero like you, but we need more heroes like us improving things on earth”, Ma said. One previously discussed possibility had been that Tesla might dynamically price its policies according to how safe – or otherwise – drivers are behind the wheel.

The sources were not authorized to speak to the media and declined to be identified.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who visited the plant a year ago and claimed SolarCity’s progress was “ahead of schedule”, and his office declined to comment on Vanity Fair’s article.

Alibaba has been using AI and machine learning to optimize personal recommendations on its e-commerce sites and supply chain, as well as build smart speakers.

Europe is a growing market for Tesla and 2019 has proved to be a rich hunting ground so far, as sales tripled in the first half of the year. Tesla plans to start producing cars at the factory near Shanghai, Tesla’s first outside of the US, by the end of 2019.

That would translate to almost four times the number of imported Model 3 vehicles sold in China per month this year, according to figures from research firm LMC Automotive. “That’s why we are doing these events now”.

The new offering can be added to an owner’s Tesla account in less than a minute.

He likened the coming relationship between people and AI to that of chimpanzees and humans, where people would be incapable of comprehending the actions of an intelligence smarter than themselves.

SolarCity was the center of the Buffalo Billion corruption probe by federal prosecutors, which a year ago led to high-profile bribery convictions of several people, including Louis Ciminelli, whose firm won the solar plant construction deal. China threatened last week to increase duties on US -made cars to as high as 50% in retaliation for President Donald Trump’s latest planned levies on Chinese goods.

Chinese startup Nio Inc sells two premium all-electric SUVs, Jaguar has launched is I-PACE SUV and BMW has its i3 hatchback and i8 sportscar.

“The way education works right now, it’s really low bandwidth, it’s extremely slow, lectures are the worst”, said Musk.

Both marketing tactics are China-only developments, the sources said. “Given time, it will become more mature”.

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Billionaires Jack Ma and Elon Musk debate good, evil and AI at conference in China

In the debate over artificial intelligence, whose side is Elon Musk on? Musk, who’s in charge of SpaceX, Tesla and the Neuralink brain interface …

In the debate over artificial intelligence, whose side is Elon Musk on?

Musk, who’s in charge of SpaceX, Tesla and the Neuralink brain interface venture, sized up the odds with AliBaba founder Jack Ma today during a widely watched one-on-one session at the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai.

The way Musk sees it, the prospects aren’t great for humans if future AI agents decide to go rogue. That’s despite pronouncements from AI researchers who say machines won’t match humans anytime soon when it comes to general intelligence, as opposed to specialized AI applications such as playing chess or Go.

“The biggest mistake I see artificial intelligence researchers making is assuming that they’re intelligent,” Musk said. “Yeah, they’re not, compared to AI. And so a lot of them cannot imagine something smarter than themselves.”

Musk said future AI agents will be “vastly smarter” than humans. “So what do you do with a situation like that?” he asked. “I’m not sure. I hope they’re nice.”

For his part, Ma saw more promise than peril in AI.

“I’m not a tech guy. I think more about life,” Ma said. “I think AI is going to open a new chapter of the society of the world [in which] people try to understand ourselves better than the outside world.”

Ma said he wasn’t concerned about machines replacing humans in the workplace. “I think that because of artificial intelligence, people will have more time to enjoy human beings. I don’t think we’ll need a lot of jobs,” he said.

He went so far as to say that in the next 20 or 30 years, people could get by working three days a week, four hours a day. (After the debate, The Washington Post noted that Ma’s prediction struck some Chinese observers as grimly ironic, in light of his past praise of a 72-hour weekly work scheme that’s known as “996” because it involves working from 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. six days a week.)

Ma implied that humans would be able to keep the machines under control. “We invented a computer,” he said. “I never saw a computer invent a human being.”

Musk was far less sanguine. When Ma said “street-smart” people like himself will never be scared of AI and will always think it’s great fun, Musk replied: “I don’t know, man, that’s like ‘famous last words.’ ”

That’s why Musk is putting so much money into Neuralink, which recently reported progress in its effort to create an integrated brain-machine interface.

“If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em,” Musk said. “That’s what Neuralink is about. Can we go along for the ride with AI?”

Other memorable moments from the Musk-Ma meetup:

  • Ma joked that he wasn’t crazy about the term “artificial intelligence,” even though his company has a network of AI labs around the world, including in Seattle. “I call it ‘AliBaba Intelligence,” he said.
  • Ma took aim at Musk’s plan to send settlers to Mars on the Starship launch system he’s developing. “It’s great to send 1 million people to Mars, but we have to care about the 7.4 billion people on Earth,” he said. “How can we make the world more sustainable?” Musk replied that his efforts to advance clean energy with Tesla could make a big difference in keeping Earth sustainable, and that his vision for Mars was meant merely to ensure that humanity survives as a multiplanetary species, even if Earth suffers a catastrophe. “To be clear, I’m pro-Earth,” he said.
  • Musk said it looks as if it’s up to humanity to keep the flame of consciousness burning, at least in our corner of the universe. “There are people out there who think we have found aliens,” he said. “Trust me, I would know. We have not. People ask me if I’ve been to Area 51. OK, please … SpaceX actually has Area 59 — eight better than Area 51.”
  • Doesn’t the prowess of game-playing programs such as Google’s AlphaGo prove AI’s superiority? Ma said it would be “stupid” to say machines were smarter than humans on that basis, just as it would be wrong to dwell on an automobile’s ability to go faster than a human. He contended that competitions like track and field, or Go and chess, are meant to pit humans vs. humans, not humans vs. machines. “I never, ever play chess or Go with a computer,” Ma said.
  • Musk noted that he was visiting Shanghai in part to visit Tesla’s Gigafactory 3 in China. Some media outlets speculated that Musk would show off the first Tesla electric car produced at the Chinese factory. Musk was also due to launch the Chinese division of his Boring Company tunneling venture.
  • Musk and Ma agreed that it’s hard to predict the future. Ma said “99.99% of the predictions that human beings had in history about the future — all wrong.” Which led Musk to ask, “Including that one?”

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A 12-hour workweek. Jack Ma thinks AI could make it the norm

Musk agreed with Ma, touting his Neuralink project, which is trying to merge the human brain with AI. “The way education works right now, it’s really …

Billionaire Jack Ma, long an outspoken advocate for China’s extreme work culture, said Thursday that with the benefits of artificial intelligence, people should be able to work just 12 hours a week.

People could work as little as three days a week, four hours a day with the help of technological advances and a reform in education systems, the Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. co-founder said at the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai. He spoke onstage with Elon Musk, the chief executive of Tesla Inc., who is building manufacturing facilities in the city.

Ma cited electricity as an example of how developments in technology could free up time for leisure. “The power of electricity is that we make people more time so that you can go to karaoke or dancing party in the evening. I think because of artificial intelligence, people will have more time enjoying being human beings.”

He went on: “For the next 10, 20 years, every human being, country, government should focus on reforming the education system, making sure our kids can find a job, a job that only requires three days a week, four hours a day. If we don’t change the education system we are in, we will all be in trouble.”

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Just this year, Ma endorsed the China tech sector’s infamous 12-hours-a-day, six-days-a-week routine, so common it earned the moniker 996. In one blog post, China’s richest man this year dismissed people who expected a typical eight-hour office lifestyle, defying a growing popular backlash.

“I don’t worry about jobs,” Ma said Thursday, making an optimistic case that AI will help humans rather than just eliminate their work. “Computers only have chips, men have the heart. It’s the heart where the wisdom comes from.”

Ma said the current education system was outdated — modeled for the industrial period — and that he foresaw a day when machines could outsmart humans in areas of memory and repetitive skills. He said future education systems needed to help people become more creative. Musk agreed with Ma, touting his Neuralink project, which is trying to merge the human brain with AI.

“The way education works right now, it’s really low bandwidth, it’s extremely slow, lectures are the worst,” Musk said. “Down the road with Neuralink, you can just upload any subject instantly. It will be like the Matrix.”

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Jack Ma says people could work just 12 hours a week in future

“The way education works right now, it’s really low bandwidth, it’s extremely slow, lectures are the worst,” said Musk. “Down the road with Neuralink …

Billionaire Jack Ma, long an outspoken advocate for China’s extreme work culture, says that people should be able to work just 12 hours a week with the benefits of artificial intelligence.

People could work as little as three days a week, four hours a day with the help of technology advances and a reform in education systems, the Alibaba co-founder said at the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai on Thursday.

He spoke on-stage with Elon Musk, the chief executive officer of Tesla who is building manufacturing facilities in the city.

Ma cited electricity as an example of how developments in technology can free up time for leisure. “The power of electricity is that we make people more time so that you can go to karaoke or dancing party in the evening. I think because of artificial intelligence, people will have more time enjoying being human beings.

“For the next 10, 20 years, every human being, country, government should focus on reforming the education system, making sure our kids can find a job, a job that only requires three days a week, four hours a day,” Ma said. “If we don’t change the education system we are in, we will all be in trouble.”

Prepare to work 12 hours a day, six days a week at Alibaba – Jack Ma

Just this year, Ma endorsed the China tech sector’s infamous 12-hours-a-day, six-days-a-week routine, so common it earned the moniker 996. In one blog post, China’s richest man this year dismissed people who expect a typical eight-hour office lifestyle, defying a growing popular backlash.

“I don’t worry about jobs,” Ma said on Thursday, making an optimistic case that AI will help humans rather than just eliminate their work. “Computers only have chips, men have the heart. It’s the heart where the wisdom comes from.”

Ma said the current education system was outdated – modelled for the industrial period – and he foresees a day when machines can outsmart humans in areas of memory and repetitive skills. He said future education systems need to help people become more creative. Musk agreed with Ma, not forgetting to tout his Neuralink project that is trying to merge the human brain with AI.

“The way education works right now, it’s really low bandwidth, it’s extremely slow, lectures are the worst,” said Musk. “Down the road with Neuralink you can just upload any subject instantly, it will be like the Matrix.”

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… The Tesla CEO also took the time to mention his latest bet, Neuralink, and its planned brain-computer interface that could let human compete with AI …
Tesla Inc CEO Musk and Alibaba Group Holding Ltd Executive Chairman Ma attend the World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai

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  • Elon Musk talked artificial intelligence with Alibaba chairman Jack Ma in Shanghai on Thursday.
  • Musk doubled down on his previous warnings that AI will overtake human intelligence
  • The Tesla CEO also took the time to mention his latest bet, Neuralink, and its planned brain-computer interface that could let human compete with AI.
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Elon Musk was in China on Thursday, but not to talk Tesla and its new factory in the country.

Instead, the chief executive talked artificial intelligence on stage next to Alibaba founder Jack Ma, and doubled down on his warnings that the technology could pose grave risks to human society as we know it.

“Generally, people underestimate the capability of AI,” Musk said at the conference in Shanghai. “They sort of think it’s like a smart human, but it’s going to be much more than that. It’ll be much smarter than the smartest human.”

Musk’s proposed solution: “If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.”

Amid the myriad of Musk’s corporate bets, one of the more recent endeavors is “Neuralink.” Unveiled in a white paper in July, the company hopes to begin testing its computer-brain interface in humans as early as next year. Experts say the technology is impressive, but called the timeline “delusional.”

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“We are already a cyborg,” Musk said. “People don’t realize – we are already a cyborg because we are so well integrated with our phones and our computers. The phone is almost like an extension of yourself. If you forget your phone, it’s like a missing limb. But the communication bandwidth to the phone is very low, especially input.”

That’s why humans desperately need to catch up.

“We will be far, far surpassed in every single way,” he said. “I guarantee it.”

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